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 Post subject: CBR 600 ENGINE IN TALON 150 .....
PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:38 pm 
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I'm putting a cbr 600 motor in a single seat Carter talon. I know, it's over kill. Anywho, I've seen several on YouTube and they mounted the motor on the swing arm. Is this a bad idea?

Just wanting to know what's the best way to mount the motor. Thanks guys.
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 Post subject: Re: CBR 600 ENGINE MOUNTING QUESTION .....
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I'm putting a cbr 600 motor in a single seat Carter talon. I know, it's over kill. Anywho, I've seen several on YouTube and they mounted the motor on the swing arm. Is this a bad idea?

Just wanting to know what's the best way to mount the motor. Thanks guys.
Chuck .....


It's pretty much a catch-22. Since it is a single seater, you don't have many options besides extending the frame, going with IRS/trailing arms, or in the swing arm. Will the swing arm hold up long term to that size engine, not likely. If you decided to stick with the single swing arm type, then I would advise to build one from scratch, using quality materials, to encompass both the need for mounting options and for a better quality axle.

You could try the stock arm, but with an engine that size I am not sure it would fit, and there would be a lot of fabbing to do to get the chain correct, suspension angle correct, and not have interference issues.

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 Post subject: Re: CBR 600 ENGINE MOUNTING QUESTION .....
PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:40 pm 
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I'm framing the engine into the buggy and not swing arm. I'm extending the swing arm about 1 ft. Do I need to relocate the shock position?


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I personally would put it on the swing arm. But Just make sure your chain does not loosen when the swing arm pivots .


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I'm putting a chain tensioner in.

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That motor is too heavy to be bouncing around on a swing arm, especially at Nellis.

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if you mount the motor to the swing arm it's like running the buggy with zero suspension....it would beat you senseless and would be impossible to drive. Same thing will happen to the heavy mounted engine.

Now a person can say the stock motor is mounted that way but the weight ratio is totally different.

A stock motor is built for the buggy and the cradle and mounts are to spec according to weight....add 600cc of motor to it with a zillion times more power and you're adding a lot from every different angle.

If you're going to add that much motor put it in the right way. We mounted a big motor in a small buggy and it ran for a very short period of time before it played grenades....

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I have a similar problem I am also installing a motorcycle engine in my BMS power buggy 250 but I'm mounting the engine in the frame but my problems is finding a differential that's chain drivin and has reverse if any one knows where I can find one please help me. And this is also my suggestion to you so you don't beat yourself and the engine to death.. then once you mount the ngine run a large strong jack shaft with CV axles attached or find a diffrental like from a trike or some thing like I'm looking for.


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I say don't even try it. I'm finishing with a cbr 600 swap as we speak. Currently I have a gear ratio of 5.25:1 ( too much torque). So far I've gotten to third gear, and it pulled the front tires off the street at each shift.

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I say don't even try it. I'm finishing with a cbr 600 swap as we speak. Currently I have a gear ratio of 5.25:1 ( too much torque). So far I've gotten to third gear, and it pulled the front tires off the street at each shift.

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Motor is in. Swing arm extended and getting closer to the finish line.


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Can I mount the radiator up a few feet above the engine? Basically, will the water pump be OK pumping up that high? Thanks.

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Starting the electrical. Looks harder than it really is.


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I added a toggle for ignition power and a indicator light. I used the existing keyed ignition for the starter. Now working on gauges and lights.


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Starting the electrical. Looks harder than it really is.


Yup, unless you are bastardizing two different harnesses, like me.

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I have a similar problem I am also installing a motorcycle engine in my BMS power buggy 250 but I'm mounting the engine in the frame but my problems is finding a differential that's chain drivin and has reverse if any one knows where I can find one please help me. And this is also my suggestion to you so you don't beat yourself and the engine to death.. then once you mount the ngine run a large strong jack shaft with CV axles attached or find a diffrental like from a trike or some thing like I'm looking for.


I am swapping out the stock 150 and had kept running it because I had no reverse on any motor I found but ended up finding a polaris quad that has a motor separate from rear end. It gives the reverse gear and it's on independent rear suspension.

I got the whole quad minus the 500cc motor so trying to measure up a 400cc motor and see if I can make it fit. From the first looks I could even shaft the front and add the front diff that is on the quad. Put the rear on first and later add the front. A lot of mods but 4wd would be so good around here.

In the winter I have to get the passenger to get out and push...once we start moving she can get in. As soon as I got thing figured out I'll post a link to the work in progress.

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The electrical is always a lot of time consuming work....if we learned to slow down and take time it would be easy and you can easily make anything work. Gone are the days I just use black tape on everything and tuck it away....do it right the first time.

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How much longer is the wheel-base of the buggy? Did you add the minimum you needed or give it room?

Once you drive it can you post if you like the extended or you see any bad issues from it.

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