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 Post subject: Should I cancel my Tire order ?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 4:57 pm 
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Well my first stop was the Iron Pony with high hopes in mind, and a front and rear tire in the car. I told the man I needed to get some rims and tires ordered but I didnt know the size for sure, but I brought them with me. I thought I was sitting pritty. I would just line my rims up with some high end rim. Then I heard 'we dont stock rims in house and neither does anybody in Columbus. The Quad market is so diverse you would spend millions just trying to keep a set of each type. ' I realized for the first time even though I took my wheels off, I was going to have no other rims available to compair them too for size. I asked if anybody in the store could identify my bolt pattern so we could try and figure something out. Nobody in the store could identify a bolt pattern on my tire or any other tire in the world. Hearing 'We don't have any kind of a machiene to do that, and we don't know how to eather' sunk my last pony of a chance there!

Next stop was Classic Honda ATV place. I walked in and explained my situaction and the manager snapped his fingers and had one of his boys buisy measureing my tires in 30 sec. He came back with 110 for the front wich we knew, but then said it looks like a 135 to him but he felt like it really was a 137. They started looking in the rim manuals and came to the conclusion ther were no 135's. Then I remembered Kellys post about he 'thought it was an odd ball 137 or something'. I told them I was willing to risk the 137 rear bolt pattern.

It was a long drawn out process of give and take getting something close to my ideal sizes. I am afraid I might have got too far off to make them work?

Front I wanted: 21x10x10 idealy with a 10x7 rim size
Front on order: 22x11x10 with a 10x8 rim size

Rear I wanted: 23x10x10 idealy with a 10x8 rim size.
Rear on order: 22x8x10 with a 10x8 rim size.

I am o.k. with going withought the front mud flaps until the dude accrost the street makes me some bigger ones so that is no big deal to me.
I am consirned if it will work o.k.

TR ACC C-SER 10X8 3+5 4/110 $72.95 X 2 = $145.90 part no 371495
TR ACC C-SER 10X8 3+5 4/137 $72.95 X 2 = $145.90 part no 371497
TR ACC MUDLITE 22X11X10 6PR $64.44 X 2 = $128.88 part no 371667
TR ACC MUDLITE 22X8X10 6PR $51.87 X 2 = $103.74 part no 371666
TR TIR LUG NUT BOX (16) 10M $23.89 = $95.56 part no 371261
TR ACC CENTER CAP STL (4) 4 $23.79 = $95.16 part no 370720

Tax Title out the door = $763.41

How bad did I mess up? :)

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 5:54 pm 
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Cancel your order immediately!

everything is way off.

you want 10x5 front rims in a 110 bolt pattern
& ?(whatever width and dia. you want) x 137 rear bolt pattern

just (carefully) re-read my post on wheels

you cannot get away with running such large tires in front and the rear is not a 115 or 117

measure your rear bolt pattern from furthest bolt to furthest, (diagonally) this should be a little larger than 5.375" center to center. or just buy a metric ruler!

kell

also, I wouldn't run mudlites on a buggy, you need it to slide, useless on front also and very heavy compared to sport tire like holeshots.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 5:57 pm 
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I just edited my post. I was freaking out. I did order a 110 bolt pattern on the front and a 137 bolt pattern on the rear. Are my tires still too big?

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BAD,BAD,BAD.your front wheels wont even turn(maybe barely)I doubt from your description the back are even gonna bolt on.
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yeah, what he said! unless you installed some sort of 4wd that I don't know about!

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i am calling now ... my back ok? get holeshot tires and 21x5x10 front tires?

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No canceling the order now.... I have to pay a 20% restock fee on anything I dont want in 3 or 4 days from now..

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Mudlites are for a 4wd doing mud bog runs, useless for everything else, especially a 2wd buggy that is going to be slid around corners on hard dirt etc.

If you just have to get new tires, get something like holeshots, you need the flat profile. otherwise stick with your stock tires like I have. The only reason for new rears would be to raise top speed a little by going to a true 22" tire.

you could buy a smaller sprocket much cheaper! Larger front wheels are a good investment because they allow better ground clearance and roll over obstacles easier and look way more manly than the little girly go-kart front tires!

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Man guys, I wish somebody would have screamed more when I posted this:

So if I know I want the new front tires to be 21" total and the 10" wide.

I need a Front tire size of 21x10x10 (not 8 for width or dia.)
with a front rim size of 10x6 (not sure if I need a 5 or 6 or 7 there?)
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If I know I want my new back to be 23" total with the standard 10" wide -

I need a Rear tire size of 23x10x10
with a rear rim size of 10x8 right?
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1) Are we that the ITP C Series will fit my rear o.k. ?

2) Are we the XL 11/8” lug, or the AT 3/4” lug?

Does anybody have another favorite tire than the Dirt Light?

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 Post subject: So what is salvagable?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:28 pm 
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So what is useable at this point? help me cutt my loss. I supose the Rear on order: 22x8x10 with a 10x8 rim size is still fine with a Mud Light in a bolt pattern of 137. Was it more important to have loose traction for sliding on the front or the back? I hope the front so if my back tires grab extra well it wont hurt me too bad. Or should I eat 20% on the mud lights too? That would mean I am down to 2 rear rims worth keeping, if 22x8x10 is o.k. for a rim on the back? kammak, you dont even think my back are even going to bolt on? Why is that. That would mean my entire order is bad.

If I return the front rims and tires I could get hole shot tread for up front and a different rims I guess?

Do we even know yet what a front tire and rim size should be? I guess the 110 is right, and rim size of 10x5 and a tire size of 21x??x??.

looks like 20% of about $240 is gone in this lesson at least!!
If it's the entire order thats bad I just lost $152.60.

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All this sounds too crazy for me, I will stick with the stock ones.


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Talonman:
I think a 10x8 wheel in the front is too wide. I wouldn't recommend anything wider than a 10x6, and even that may be a little much.

The tires you ordered, the Mudlites are pretty nice. They're also fairly light (several pounds lighter than a similarly sized Holeshot ATR) so you shouldn't have much difficulty. At least you got the AT's which have half the tread depth of the XL's. These will slide fine on hard pack surfaces, and will be insane in dirt and mud. You'll be roosting your buddies big time!

The only real issue I see is how the front wheels are going to fit, if they'll be rubbing on the hard parts or not. I'm a little disappointed in the Honda dealership selling you 8" wide wheels for the front, and 8" wide tires for those wheels. Those tires would fit better on 6" wide wheels.

Let us know how they fit once you get them. Don't forget, if the wheels are rubbing on something, you can always some spacers to step them out a bit.

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 Post subject: Thanks for the post.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 7:04 pm 
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Thanks for the post. The problem is, if I receive the goods I own them. If I refuse delivery, 20% restock fee. I guess at this point I am willing to write the front tires and rims off, but I still would like to know if the rear will be o.k. If they have an offset problem or dont mount at all I would like to know now.

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Talonman:
You posted again so here goes...

See if they'll let you test fit them on your cart. Don't drive on them, but you can see if they'll fit.

You're better off with a little bit of slide from the back, called oversteer. Much of that can be adjusted with air pressure in the tires. Want more slide, add more air. You're buggy is low slung enough that I don't think rolling it is much of an issue, but I haven't driven it so only you can be the judge of that. I also don't see an issue with the Mudlites for the front. They'll throw a bunch of stuff up, but so will anything else. I think your rear rims should bolt up fine, a 4x136 is a common bolt pattern and also works for the Kawi 4x137 pattern required by one of their ATV's.

Test the fit before you return anything, but I still think that the 8" wide wheel in the front is your biggest issue. Offroad tires should always be about 2" wider than the wheel.

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TalonMan:
You always want tires wider than the wheels. The sidewall bulge will protect the edge of the rim against rock damage. Also gives some side-to-side shift which helps keep the tire from rolling off the rim bead on a hard corner.
I think you're fine with the rear tires & rims. I have Mudlites (22-11-8") and they are very light but tough.

Why won't the store let you cancel the order? It was their 'help' that got you here.

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Test the fit before you return anything, but I still think that the 8" wide wheel in the front is your biggest issue. Offroad tires should always be about 2" wider than the wheel.


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 Post subject: Re: So what is salvagable?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 7:33 pm 
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[quote="TalonMan"]So what is us useable at this point? help me cutt my loss. I supose the Rear on order: 22x8x10 with a 10x8 rim size is still fine with a Mud Light in a bolt pattern of 137. Was it more important to have loose traction for sliding on the front or the back? I hope the front so if my back tires grab extra well it wont hurt me too bad. Or should I eat 20% on the mud lights too? That would mean I am down to 2 rear rims worth keeping, if 22x8x10 is o.k. for a rim on the back? kammak, you dont even think my back are even going to bolt on? Why is that. That would mean my entire order is bad.

If I return the front rims and tires I could get hole shot tread for up front and a different rims I guess?

Do we even know yet what a front tire and rim size should be? I guess the 110 is right, and rim size of 10x5 and a tire size of 21x??x??.

If 22x8x10 is your tire size and IMO it is wrong! your rims are the right dimensions but if they told you your bolt pattern was around 115 or 117 as per your earlier post 137 is a stretch.Rear tire size if your looking for 22inch hieght, should be 22x10x10 or 22x11x10 for extra width.
Write off the front completely.We will have to start all over there.
You will need 10x5 rims 110 bolt pattern 21x6x10 or 22x7x10 tires for the front.

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 Post subject: I feel the same way
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 7:44 pm 
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I feel the same way. I will call back tomorrow and ask for a customer service manager. I wonder if he will have the same story. We still do not know of a rim that is a 110 bolt pattern that is 10x5 and takes a 21x??x?? tire, do we?

I think I will keep the back rims and tires, lug nuts, center cap's, and refuse the front rims and tires. With everybody warning me so much I don't think I should even mess with them.

I am not a fan of the review all posts for instructions. I thought I read everything I could on the subjuct, and asked for help 100 times. I think I just need to wait for a direct answer so it dosen't cost so much money! :)

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 Post subject: Rear Tires.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 7:51 pm 
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The bolt pattern I mentioned earlier was just me freaking out.

My rears on order are bolt pattern 137
rear rim on order 10x8
rear tire on order 22x8x10

is it just the bad bolt pattern I reported earlier that makes you think the rear's might not work, or the rim or tire size? If it is just the bolt pattern, it is for sure a 137 that is on order. Does that make them o.k.? :)

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 Post subject: Re: I feel the same way
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 8:21 pm 
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I feel the same way. I will call back tomorrow and ask for a customer service manager. I wonder if he will have the same story. We still do not know of a rim that is a 110 bolt pattern that is 10x5 and takes a 21x??x?? tire, do we?

I think I will keep the back rims and tires, lug nuts, center cap's, and refuse the front rims and tires. With everybody warning me so much I don't think I should even mess with them.

I am not a fan of the review all posts for instructions. I thought I read everything I could on the subjuct, and asked for help 100 times. I think I just need to wait for a direct answer so it dosen't cost so much money! :)

Yes there is such a rim that is a 110 bolt pattern it's 10x5 and takes a 21x?x? it also takes a 22X8x10.It is an itp and there is a set on the front of my buggy and also kells buggy and I beleive Heaths buggy also.

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 Post subject: Re: Rear Tires.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 8:25 pm 
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TalonMan wrote:
The bolt pattern I mentioned earlier was just me freaking out.

My rears on order are bolt pattern 137
rear rim on order 10x8
rear tire on order 22x8x10

is it just the bad bolt pattern I reported earlier that makes you think the rear's might not work, or the rim or tire size? If it is just the bolt pattern, it is for sure a 137 that is on order. Does that make them o.k.? :)

Your bolt pattern I don't have a clue about.
your rim size sounds correct
your tire size is wrong YOU NEED 22X10X10 or 22x11x10

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