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 Post subject: Kinroad 650 Transmission
PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 4:59 am 
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Hi folks, Im having some issues with my buggy; Im unable to select any gears whilst the engine is running, also there seems to be little movement on the clutch lever. Could it be that the clutch is gone or is there something else I need to do to operate it(newbie)? Attached is a link to a short video clip of what happening

https://youtu.be/y0vf00vDmQE


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 Post subject: Re: Kinroad 650 Transmission
PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:27 am 
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If your buggy uses a clutch cable, try tightening up slack on both ends. If your buggy uses a hydraulic line, bleed the system to ensure no air is in it.

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 Post subject: Re: Kinroad 650 Transmission
PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 4:06 am 
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PGH wrote:
If your buggy uses a clutch cable, try tightening up slack on both ends. If your buggy uses a hydraulic line, bleed the system to ensure no air is in it.





It is cable and if tighten it to the max , but still not working.


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 Post subject: Re: Kinroad 650 Transmission
PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 10:48 am 
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You will need to split the engine and transmission to physically inspect the clutch, pressure plate and throw-out bearing.

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 Post subject: Re: Kinroad 650 Transmission
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PGH wrote:
You will need to split the engine and transmission to physically inspect the clutch, pressure plate and throw-out bearing.




Thanks. This is pretty much what I thought would be the best option. I was hoping I could avoid doing it, but cant get around it..


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 Post subject: Re: Kinroad 650 Transmission
PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:59 pm 
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I’ve now had the gearbox out about 3 times, fitted new clutch kit including release bearing , but still the same issue. Very little movement when pressing the clutch, so won’t go into gear at all. Not sure what else to do.... HELP..please. I must be missing something:)


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PGH wrote:
You will need to split the engine and transmission to physically inspect the clutch, pressure plate and throw-out bearing.




Thanks. This is pretty much what I thought would be the best option. I was hoping I could avoid doing it, but cant get around it..


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 Post subject: Re: Kinroad 650 Transmission
PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:18 pm 
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When I viewed your video the first time, I saw you have too much slack in the clutch mechanism before it starts to engage the throw out bearing against the pressure plate. It should not be so easy to move that lever on the transmission by hand. Is it possible that you or someone removed the lever and then put it back on in the incorrect location (clocked at wrong angle)? I don't think you are disengaging the clutch at all which is why it will not go into gear.

Since you are close to London, find a mechanic friend that works on small Suzuki's. Your transmission is the same as those used on the F-series Suzuki engines you find in Alto's and similar micro cars. You need a second set eyes on the mechanism to figure out why it is so loose.

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 Post subject: Re: Kinroad 650 Transmission
PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:08 am 
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I think PGH is right. The slack on the lever on the transmission and also the lever come inline with the cable so you are pulling to the max but to disengage the clutch you would have to push the lever down but you can't because you are at the max pulling. By readjusting the lever on the transmission, it will give you more pull and should disengage the clutch.

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 Post subject: Re: Kinroad 650 Transmission
PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:23 am 
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Thanks for taking the time to reply chaps.

Ive adjusted the slack a few times, also the lever on top of the transmission and the same thing is happening. I had the gearbox specialist friend of mine looking at it as well and he couldnt find anything wrong with it. I will defo try and adjust it again and see what happens.

Here is a video showing what happens inside the gearbox, when the clutch lever is pulled. It seems to hit the pressure plate , but not move further than that..., doesnt matter how much pressure ( dont want to put to much, so not to snap the cable) i put it wont move.

https://youtu.be/-ixCsfnZbrY



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I think PGH is right. The slack on the lever on the transmission and also the lever come inline with the cable so you are pulling to the max but to disengage the clutch you would have to push the lever down but you can't because you are at the max pulling. By readjusting the lever on the transmission, it will give you more pull and should disengage the clutch.


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 Post subject: Re: Kinroad 650 Transmission
PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:47 am 
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I don’t remember being able to activate the clutch by hand on my 650 (it has been over 10 years). I think where you experience the higher resistance is where the bearing is finally engaging the plate. Prior to that is the resistance on the return spring.

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 Post subject: Re: Kinroad 650 Transmission
PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:19 pm 
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Are you than saying that the bearing should be up against the plate from the start, so no play in between ?
I’m trying to adjust it now..


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I don’t remember being able to activate the clutch by hand on my 650 (it has been over 10 years). I think where you experience the higher resistance is where the bearing is finally engaging the plate. Prior to that is the resistance on the return spring.


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 Post subject: Re: Kinroad 650 Transmission
PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:15 pm 
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It shouldn't be touching with the clutch disengaged, but should be very close.

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 Post subject: Re: Kinroad 650 Transmission
PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:48 pm 
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Great news, managed to get it working!!! With your expert advise of course..big thank you , so relieved. It’s been such a headache trying to figure it out. 1-4 gears are working now, just reverse gear which doesn’t seem to engage..but I guess it’s now just matter of adjusting the the cables ....?

Thanks again PGH

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It shouldn't be touching with the clutch disengaged, but should be very close.


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 Post subject: Re: Kinroad 650 Transmission
PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:57 pm 
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I’m glad you understood what I wrote since it was backwards. With your foot off the pedal the bearing should not have to touch the plate and will engage the plate when you want to release the transmission.

The Joyner 650 used a shift rod but the larger ones use cables. Maybe their advice in those manuals on cable adjustment will help your setup.

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 Post subject: Re: Kinroad 650 Transmission
PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:57 am 
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Again , Thanks for the advise! I managed to get the reverse gear working as well..!! Looks like I might be able to enjoy some of the UK summer :) in it. Now to sort the wheel alignment , than MOT . Will keep you posted.


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I’m glad you understood what I wrote since it was backwards. With your foot off the pedal the bearing should not have to touch the plate and will engage the plate when you want to release the transmission.

The Joyner 650 used a shift rod but the larger ones use cables. Maybe their advice in those manuals on cable adjustment will help your setup.


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 Post subject: Re: Kinroad 650 Transmission
PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:39 am 
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hi i have same problem how can fix it ? can you send me picture how can setup clutch bearing?
thx guys
i from slovakia and my englisch is realy bad sorry


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 Post subject: Re: Kinroad 650 Transmission
PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:24 pm 
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These transmissions are used on the F-series Suzuki engines F6, F8, F10...

You may be be able to find some cars and manuals in Europe that are better than the Chinese ones that have been poorly translated.

Možná nemluvím dobře slovensky, ale rozumím.

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 Post subject: Re: Kinroad 650 Transmission
PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:59 am 
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ak rozumies tak ti to napisem takto vsetko je zlozene a ked potiahnem spojkovu paku tak sa mi zda ze spojkove lozisko je priliz daleko a a zabera az na konci a vtedy sa dotkne pritlacaku ako sa to da nastavit ? a nejdu zaradit ziadne prevodove stupne iba ked je vypnuty motor


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 Post subject: Re: Kinroad 650 Transmission
PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:45 pm 
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So others can follow what is going on, here is the translation:

[quote]If you understand, I'll write it to you like this, it's all folded, and when I pull the clutch lever, I wonder if the clutch bearing is too far away and it only takes place at the end and then it touches the pressure plate, how can it be set? and I cannot engage any gears only when the engine is off[\quote]

My Joyner 650 used a cable between the clutch pedal and the transmission. If your Kinroad 650 uses hydraulic lines, let me know. There is adjustment on both sides of the cable to allow greater pull. If the transmission was removed, the lever may not be on the pivot at the correct angle to properly engage the clutch.

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 Post subject: Re: Kinroad 650 Transmission
PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:32 am 
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i have cable on clutch
and same problem how makoto and same maximum pulling and pleasure plate not pusching to much


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