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Honestly, we've found that it is within a few percent which meets our needs. Yes, what you are saying is correct, but when you are only off by a small elevation over a 50 or more inch width it doesn't make a lot of difference. In other words there has been about 10 or 15 lb difference on a buggy when measured this way and then compared to results on a larger scale. This could actually be accounted for by a different amount of gas being in the tank... but the point is, we are very close. We are even more accurate when we have two scales and measure front and back together. (a lot of us do it this way) Then the angular force is spread over 80 inches or more.
-Steve
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| I can see where you add all the weight readings of the scales and the total is right but as far as being acurate for that corner the elevation of the scales need to be the same. Put a level across and set the tire pressure. I would adjust the front springs until the front wheels had a more even weight distribution because two wheels putting more down force diagonally will make it want to rock back and forth diagonally around the corners similar to removing a wheel at opposate corners. The weight of the motor should not be as big a factor on the front with the swing arm setup because it doesn't pivot so the frame shouldn't lean except for a small amount for tire deflection. Independent systems would be different. If you have less down force in your left front when you make a hard right the left front will sink and you will be prone to roll over. We set our suspensions an even number of spaces as if the frames were perfect. Just my input I am sorry for carrying on and I don't even have a scale to use yet. |
_________________ 2004 KPX Xterro: pumper carb, oil cooling, 10 gram rollers, Toy junkies pipe, uni
2005 Blade 150 DX: 4 Valve head, 10 gram rollers, East Side pipe, uni
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With the two scale method, I came within, I believe 9 lbs as compared to weighing on a full blown digital cargo scale. Not too bad. I think it turns out to be accurate enough for our purposes. _________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
PiCcHi
2005 Carter Talon GX150IIR
http://www.buggynews.com/viewtopic.php?t=3811
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Yep... and gasoline weighs over 6lbs per gallon depending upon the blend. Unless it was bone dry or entirely full both times, it's hard to know that the same amount of gas is in there. (unless it was not ridden between weigh ins)
-S _________________ 2004 KPX Xterro: pumper carb, oil cooling, 10 gram rollers, Toy junkies pipe, uni
2005 Blade 150 DX: 4 Valve head, 10 gram rollers, East Side pipe, uni
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I agree that it is acurate I just wanted to share the idea to use this setup for setting the suspension preload. Probably ridiculasly extream I know but just part of the buggy obsession most of us share. I want to tank you guys for all the info on upgrades. I think my boy had lost interest until he saw me riding after all the modifications sliding around corners. Now he is hooked again and I have you guys to thank.
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I know this topic has played out and this will get a yawn and a "so what" but I needed to set the record straight. I brought home a set of racing scales and weighed my Dune 150 accurately (+/- 1Lb. calibrated last Friday by yours truly):
LF: 122
RF: 115
LR: 162
RR: 175
Total weight: 570 wet. 41%/59% balance F/R. I have added weight for a winch (13 pounds) and 2nd battery (maybe another 13 pounds??) and lost some weight going to aluminum rear rims and Mud Lite tires (-6 pounds).
I thought the way this works was if you wanted to change the balance you can adjust the shock preload. Adding preload adds weight on diagonally opposing corners, right? 2 clicks on the LR shock only added 2 pounds to LR and RF. Big deal 
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My buggy is a couple of pounds shy of a baby elephant.  _________________ 2005 Dazon 250cc Double.
13 Grammers
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Do you have a real weight on that thing? I'm curious.
-S
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My buggy is a couple of pounds shy of a baby elephant.  |
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I weighed my Dune 150 on a cargo scale when it was totally stock. It weighed 525 lbs wet (full tank of gas). The scale weighed my body weight accurately. I will have to see what my mods have added.
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These are the weights on my KSX-250W, after getting all four tires inflated to 7 lbs each (made a big difference).
LF : 130
RF : 115
LR : 225
RR : 200
Total : 670lbs Wet
Seems a bit heavy in my mind and leaning to the left. I might be able to adjust the shocks to make it lean a little more to the right. Of course i could be my cheap Walmart scales.
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I'm not too surprised, as it appears solidly built. The duel rear swing arm models are coming out heavier than the single rear swingarm buggies. The lightest 250 so far is likely the Dazon 250 single.
You are about 10 lbs heavier than a short frame Kinroad 250 double seater. You should still be running pertty well. The challenger is lighter, but it falls apart due to lack of bracing in some areas, so it SHOULD be built heavier in areas. _________________ 2004 KPX Xterro: pumper carb, oil cooling, 10 gram rollers, Toy junkies pipe, uni
2005 Blade 150 DX: 4 Valve head, 10 gram rollers, East Side pipe, uni
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