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Post Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:30 am 
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Ya seeing is beliveing, I cant see how it broke both sides.
Probably a dumb question but did both break at the same time?
Or did the second break trying to get home?
What were you doing and where were you when this happend?

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Post Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:16 pm 
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the 1100 broke one side first the 800 broke them at the same time.......my wife was driving the 800...put put put.

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Post Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:56 pm 
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Thats crazy!!! Surely must have been shock loaded at one time or another, dont take me the wrong way I'm just trying to invision how the heck that happend.
I have broke plenty of parts but I was usually being an a$$.
Hope the info in the PM helps.

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Post Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:30 am 
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You know what? Joyner needs to address this. I read all over the web about these damned shafts breaking on the larger Joyner buggies. It is absolutley inexcusable. I'm glad a company is making sturdier shafts, but< they really shouldn't have to. Joyner is worshipped by small buggy owners and this problem is just too common to let slide. Seriously... how much would it add to production costs to make sure this component is built to last?
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Post Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:46 pm 
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Those shafts break on all the bigger buggy's, not only
Joyner, at least Joyner has a desent front end suspension, and not those crappy struts that break.

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Post Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:10 pm 
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eggyhed wrote:
Those shafts break on all the bigger buggy's, not only
Joyner, at least Joyner has a desent front end suspension, and not those crappy struts that break.


not true, it doesnt break on all big buggys. it depends on the differential you have. All the buggies that I see breaking output shafts have a locked rear end and apparently the chinese metal cant take the stress of a locked rear. I have an open diff on my 800cc and it has had no problems with the output shafts after almost a year of hard riding. and my stock front suspension is doing just fine too (no straps), but maybe I have been lucky with those.... I definitely agree that it could use an upgrade when it comes to the springs, they are too stiff and no progressive rate.

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Post Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:19 am 
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The differential on all new Joyner buggies is open. This should address the problem.

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Post Sat Aug 30, 2008 1:43 pm 
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but that will open up other possible issues. Some people totally detest the open differential because it will get stuck easier and cant climb as well. For me the open diff is perfectly fine, it allows me to turn tight and do big drifts on the one lane dirt roads I ride. but for others who have lots of room and very steep sand dunes to climb might not be so content. I know for a fact that you cant start off in the middle a climb for crap with the open diff, you gotta come flying into the hill with speed to climb decently.
I think the best solution would be for joyner to address the real problem at hand, which is the strength of the output shaft material, rather than just going the cheaper and easier route. Every other chinese company already goes the cheaper route, and joyner is allegedly supposed to be a notch better, so why dont they set themselves apart? Joyner should seriously consider going outside of china to get some of there drivetrain components manufactured, so they are of at least decent quality to handle a locked rear end. They can afford it, they charge so much more for their sandrails than other makers do (sometimes double). Arent they suppposed to be better than all the other buggies,or so I hear from so many people online... so I think its time that they live up to this and justify their reputation better. I have nothing personally against joyner I have never rode one. I just dont think it deserves the reputation that it enjoys (or the price tag for that matter!) over the other brands. especially when someone pays twice as much and ends up with broken output shafts repeatedly. If your paying so much more for a buggy you should get so much more from the buggy, and well built drivetrain components from a non-chinese source would probably eliminate many major issues and then it would be totally safe to say joyner is definitely a notch above the others...
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I believe there is an option that can be purchased so the differential can be made closed. This is for the people that mainly ride the sands. Closed is better for the sands, where open is better for trails and such. I am sure that Joyner is listening and watching. If they are continually having to replace input and output shafts then changes will be made to correct the issue.

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doonrunr wrote:
I believe there is an option that can be purchased so the differential can be made closed. This is for the people that mainly ride the sands. Closed is better for the sands, where open is better for trails and such. I am sure that Joyner is listening and watching. If they are continually having to replace input and output shafts then changes will be made to correct the issue.

Glade

The trails I ride require a locked rear or you will get stuck very fast. The real solution is to use a locking or limited slip differential.

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