Just my .02 but I would buy a Jouner used. They are the only buggy that many used ones are out there and I have seen several that have hardly been used, but are half the price or less than a new one. They seem to be mostly in AZ and Cal, but phrugby bought a nice one in washington so they are out there just look. I bought my 650 for 3200.00 already turbocharged, a new one is going for 7000.00 plus with no upgrades. With the 650 there is an odometer so you can check how much it has been driven. Mine had 600 kilometers on it and loooked new. Im not sure the 250s have an odometer but the condition should be enough. I think the used ones are better than new because you almost always get some upgrades, and all the bugs have been worked out. I have a lj tech 1000 that I bought new from that crook at team-moto Rob that I still havent been able to drive for over a year now because of the problems with it that should have been covered by warranty, but that is anhother story. Van
I bought my new Viper 250 through Emrock. I ordered it on-line and had it in about a week. Everything went great. Greg responded to all of my e-mails within a few hours. The buggy came from AZ via Fed-Ex. It weighed 1000lbs in the crate. Just be sure you have a dock or a forklift with extensions. I am waiting now for the title so I can register it. Based on Emrocks price and the tax and registration I will save about $300 over my local dealers OTD price.
Mitch _________________ "God made dirt, dirt don't hurt"
only problem 4 us it that we need a green sticker so if the used ones dont have one well then that sucks for us but you are right about buying used i think im going to buy used _________________ 06 joyner 250 sand viper,red metallic..blue clutch spring 17 gram sliders and upgraded clutch
Joyner has advertised from day one that all of there buggys are cal green sticker approved. So buying used shouldnt be a problem right? Im not sure how the whole Cali thing works isnt the buggy that starts with a green sticker always a green sticker. And if all the buggys sold are capable of passing cal emission standards doesnt that meen that they are green stickered no matter where they were originally sold.
Phazelag I was wondering if you could tell me what size jet they put in it. I just bought a K&N filter and I need to get some jets. I just wanted a close idea what I might need in So. California.
well if they havent got one ane lost the titile then were screwed and have to go threw a long process i think but have never done it before but have herd horr stories _________________ 06 joyner 250 sand viper,red metallic..blue clutch spring 17 gram sliders and upgraded clutch
I would love a joyner, even a 250 would be real sweet! THey are just sooooo bulky!!! Look great, but I think for the size, they are just too underpowered. I think the 250 should be at least a 500cc, and the 250 could shed a couple pounds and some inches in width!!!!
I love the shape, the design, the suspension, but just too big for a 250!!!
I wish they would take our Dune 150 or Crossfire 150R and put a 250 motor in them!!!!!!! WHY NOT???????????
I know why, then they would be out of stock all the time!!!!!
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OK So today was awesome and bad. I drove the Joyner about 30 miles today and had a blast. I took some video with my helmet cam while I was driving and a hand held while my buddy was driving. I will upload it soon. But we came in for a break and refuel and it would not stay running. It would start for a second and cut out. I tried checking the fuel line and cleaning out the float with no luck. I called the dealer and he was cool trying to help me over the phone and offering for me to bring it to him. But he is just a bit too far for that to be conveniant. So I called the BMS dealer down the street and the guy said bring it in. He spent 3.5 hours on it and found out it was the ignition switch. He swapped out carbs, traced all the electrical and could not figure it out. So I was heading down to get it and he called me back and said he figured it out. So now I will have to see if the dealer will send me the switch so I dont have to drive down there.
So that was the bad part. Here is how the thing performed in the Southwest Desert that was full of rocks and hills. I will be making alot of comparisons to the BMS 250 and some to the Rhino since I have experience with both.
As far the power the Joyner is much faster and torquier than the BMS. I forgot the GPS but the speedo said 42 at times even slightly up hill in the dirt. It seemed about right. It climbed good, but I think it does as good or better in High than in Low. It seemed we could make more hills in high which allowed us to carry more speed, than hills we made in Low? This usually had to do with traction and the stock tires dont grip granite, dirt and rocks as well as other stock ATV tires. We didnt mess with the tire pressure yet.
I will post videos of the hills we made and some we couldnt make no matter what. Anything over about 50 degrees in incline for over 30 feet we would get close, but just lose traction. Luckily the brakes were good and it would back down safely. We made some very big hills, but they would have a gradual then steep then gradual flow. We could always get on top, sometimes we just had to choose another route.
I noticed that this engine winds up more than the BMS before it starts to move. So I am wondering if the clutch springs are heavier stock?
The suspenion is great. It is actually superior to a stock Rhino in my opinion. There were plenty of large whoops where the rhino would have dug the front end in at a slower speed. This may just be wheel positioning on the rhino, but I could go over ruffer terrain faster in the joyner than in my buddies rhino. It was a huge difference. As far as plushness, the Joyner and BMS are about the same, but the larger front tires on the BMS help smooth things out more. After a day of riding, the Joyner seems to lean to one side, so I am going to check the air pressure in each shock. I am not going to play with the preload adjustments until they get more time on the springs.
The Joyner handles great and has very little body roll. It is very stable in a turn or getting the rear end loose. The seat belts and Harness system is far superior to the BMS, but still work themselves loose. Comfort wise the BMS wins. It is just bigger and you can stretch out more. The Joyner was plenty big, but your leg ends up resting or banging on the side bar at some point because there is no good place to keep your left foot. So after a few miles I went back and put a knee pad on and twisted it to buffer the bars impact on my knee.
The Joyner is also awkward to get in and out of compared to the BMS. As far as size goes, the Joyner served its purpose, I can fit my dirt bike in easily beside it in my trailer. And I can fit my daughters quad in behind it. So for me smaller is better or I would have bought a 650 or 800 Joyner or kept the BMS. Also the narrower width made it easier to fit on more trails.
So I yes I had fun, but I am not happy about it breaking on day 1. I will give Joyner a Mulligan, but if it breaks again on the second or thrid day I will be bumbed out.
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